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Re: 4.0.x stuff
« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2010, 05:48:38 AM »
So I did a bit more Feral experimenting.

Numbers are assuming FF and mangle debuff.  The numbers are my average non-critical hit taken from a small sample set.

rough ordering of ability by damage:
lacerate_3    3507   (total damage from a 3 stack)
maul_w_bleed  1801
pulverize_3   1720
swipe         1602
maul_no_bleed 1501
mangle        1486
faerie_fire   746
lacerate_app  162   (application; ticks 5 times for 223 per stack per tick)

Note that the tooltips for Faerie Fire and Lacerate say they cause additional threat.

The Skull Bash tooltip says you charge.   You do not actually move -- it does have an 8 yard range.

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Re: 4.0.x stuff
« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2010, 07:24:02 AM »
And of course as soon as I do numbers like this (assuming they are done with changes) they put a new build on the beta (not the PTR) where they rebalance a bunch of the damage values.   Looks like mangle will do double its current damage.  Lacerate will be 3x application damage but 1/3 dot damage.  I suspect this will make lacerate the goto spam ability when you low on rage.

Bear beserk now also removes the cooldown from Mangle and causes your mangle to sometimes be free.
Swipe is now up to 30 rage.

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Re: 4.0.x stuff
« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2010, 07:38:03 AM »
Oh, I could have told you they hadn't done a damage pass. :)

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Re: 4.0.x stuff
« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2010, 12:18:54 PM »
Has anyone heard any more about the cost of 310% flying for those who already have 310% mounts? I read, probably on here, that if you already had a 310% mount, that the new flying was free. However, on the PTR, Jenilea's 310% mount is now showing as 280% and the trainer wants 5kg for 310% training. Has this changed or is the PTR in error?
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Re: 4.0.x stuff
« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2010, 12:29:08 PM »
A quick search on mmo-c got me this: http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/1924-Cataclysm-Beta-Build-12759

Quote from: mmo-c
Update 09:15PM PST - The new 310% Speed Flying Mount skill costs 5000 gold to train. People who already own a 310% flying mount get it for free.

I'm not seeing any other mentions in the first 10 pages of mmo-c.
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Re: 4.0.x stuff
« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2010, 01:04:34 PM »
Has anyone heard any more about the cost of 310% flying for those who already have 310% mounts? I read, probably on here, that if you already had a 310% mount, that the new flying was free. However, on the PTR, Jenilea's 310% mount is now showing as 280% and the trainer wants 5kg for 310% training. Has this changed or is the PTR in error?
This is how it is on beta at the moment.

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Re: 4.0.x stuff
« Reply #36 on: September 21, 2010, 05:10:57 PM »
Are achievements copied to the beta? I was wondering if I was not getting credit for Master flying is because both my 310 drakes are from achievements (holiday and Ulduaar) and since achievements are not copied to the PTR, the PTR just set them to 280 flying and thus I did not have a 310 drake to qualify for Master flying.
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Re: 4.0.x stuff
« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2010, 05:51:59 AM »
What is happening to [wow]Wintergrasp Commendation[/wow] will they just convert to honor on who has then or just give less honor?
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Re: 4.0.x stuff
« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2010, 05:53:03 AM »
That's one of the great mysteries people asked about a lot on the forums with no answer.

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Re: 4.0.x stuff
« Reply #39 on: September 25, 2010, 06:54:45 PM »
What is happening to [wow]Wintergrasp Commendation[/wow] will they just convert to honor on who has then or just give less honor?
On Beta they change to give 50 honor.   Who noes if they will change to agan

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Re: 4.0.x stuff
« Reply #40 on: September 26, 2010, 12:08:41 PM »
What is happening to [wow]Wintergrasp Commendation[/wow] will they just convert to honor on who has then or just give less honor?
On Beta they change to give 50 honor.   Who noes if they will change to agan

Interesting they should give 48 honor if they scaled (2000*0.024 or 30*1.6) :O

More interesting is the item is still in game so is a good way to store extra honor :D
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Re: 4.0.x stuff
« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2010, 05:11:18 PM »
Are achievements copied to the beta? I was wondering if I was not getting credit for Master flying is because both my 310 drakes are from achievements (holiday and Ulduaar) and since achievements are not copied to the PTR, the PTR just set them to 280 flying and thus I did not have a 310 drake to qualify for Master flying.

They specifically say that achievements are not copied since it creates a longer copy time for characters. Or something like that.

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Re: 4.0.x stuff
« Reply #42 on: September 28, 2010, 06:44:12 PM »
Arena season 8 is ending "as soon as" October 12, which is in two weeks.  That's the earliest patch 4.0 could be released, although they could end the season later than October 12 or release the patch after the end of the season.

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Re: 4.0.x stuff
« Reply #43 on: September 29, 2010, 09:45:35 AM »
Update on currency conversions.
http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27026323214/currency-conversion-justice-point-update/

* 11.58 justice points per triumph or frost emblem, up from 2.75 (a 4.2x increase)
* 47.5 silver per excess justice point when the 4000 JP soft cap turns into a hard cap (in a later patch), down from 1.833g (a 3.9x decrease)

If PTR prices for emblem items haven't and won't change since I made the table earlier, frost emblem items will remain about as expensive as they were before in emblem equivalents, while triumph and conquest items will become a bit more expensive.

Any raiding main will probably be way over-capped after conversion.  I'm a little surprised they didn't make frost emblems worth more than triumph emblems.

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Re: 4.0.x stuff
« Reply #44 on: September 29, 2010, 09:59:25 AM »
*scratches an ear*

Sooo...  still spend yer frost if ya got 'em, and now triumph will now buy something as opposed to being subject to mad deflationary conversion?
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