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Marco

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Re: 8.3.x stuff
« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2020, 08:34:14 AM »
There was another round of corruption tuning with yesterday's reset, including the doubling of Void Ritual and the nerfing of Echoing Void.  It looks like bloodmallet's charts have caught up to the changes.

Looking at the HecticAddCleave charts, Twilight Devastation and Gushing Wound seem strong, with stat corruptions sometimes being competitive (most commonly haste and crit).  Lash of the Void looks super strong if it applies to your spec (it only appears on a particular fist weapon).  For the Patchwerk charts, the same corruptions are generally strong, but Infinite Stars usually gets a place in the top three, whereas it's only middling in most of the HecticAddCleave charts.

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Re: 8.3.x stuff
« Reply #46 on: February 21, 2020, 07:27:11 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ7zQO7v_yk

Things you hate about 8.3.  Actually just things Taliesin can complain amusingly about. It's no Zero Punctuation but it's funny enough.

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Re: 8.3.x stuff
« Reply #47 on: February 25, 2020, 05:45:47 AM »
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* Explosive Orbs again immediately put players into combat.
* Explosive Orbs can again be tab-targeted.

Developers' note: When testing the  Awakened affix, we found that Explosive Orbs could sometimes prevent players from entering or exiting Ny'alotha Spires and Rifts if their party was in combat inside the instance. To solve this issue, we changed them to not place players in combat immediately. However, this had the unintended side effect of breaking player expectations around tab-targeting Explosive Orbs, so we're reverting their threat-generation behavior and trying an alternate solution.

Well. Thats nice. By my napkin math, it gives them 5 weeks to not fix it properly, before Explosive rolls around again.

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Re: 8.3.x stuff
« Reply #48 on: March 03, 2020, 08:11:38 AM »
Some notable hotfixes today/yesterday:

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March 2, 2020

Classes

    Hunters can again tame Juggernaut pets within the Siege of Orgrimmar raid instance.

Dungeons and Raids

    Ny’alotha, the Waking City
        Prophet Skitra
            [With regional restarts] Prophet Skitra now has 2 intermission phases (was 4 intermission phases) on all difficulties.
                Prophet Skitra now enters intermission phases at 33% and 66% health (was 20%, 40%, 60% and 80% health).
            [With regional restarts] Dark Ritual’s debuff effect now increases by 4% per stack (was 2% per stack) on all difficulties.
                Developers’ note: Especially as raids’ overall damage output increases, many groups are spending a disproportionate amount of time dealing with Skitra’s illusions, and often skipping other mechanics entirely. This change is aimed at making the overall pace of the fight more consistent regardless of raid damage.
        Ra-den the Despoiled
            [With regional restarts] Void Collapse cast time increased to 4.5 seconds on Raid Finder, Normal, and Heroic difficulties.
            [With regional restarts] Reduced the damage of Void Collapse on all difficulties.
            [With regional restarts] Void Defilement duration decreased to 6 seconds on Mythic difficulty.
        N’Zoth the Corruptor
            [With regional restarts] Azeroth’s Radiance now restores 25 Sanity (was 20 Sanity).
                Thought Harvester
                    [With regional restarts] Harvest Thoughts Shadow damage reduced by 10%.
                    [With regional restarts] Harvest Thoughts Sanity drain reduced to 300 (was 400).
                        Developers’ note: We’ve seen extensive use of player immunities to avoid the consequences of certain raid mechanics, and while we want to allow player utility to function wherever possible, we’re wary when specific class compositions feel required. The changes to both Ra-den and N’Zoth are intended to make a wider range of raid compositions feel viable on Mythic difficulty.
            [With regional restarts] Mindgrasp can no longer be interrupted by Priests’ Cosmic Ripple (Talent).

Items and Rewards

    The currency limit for Coalescing Visions has been removed.
        Developers’ note: Especially since the removal of the unique cap on Vessels, we’ve seen a lot of feedback about the inventory clutter of multiple Vessels. By removing the cap on Coalescing Visions, players should now feel free to buy Vessels from Wrathion as needed, rather than stockpiling them in bags.
    Cache of the Black Empire will award 12,500 Coalescing Visions instead of a Vessel of Horrific Visions and 2,500 Coalescing Visions.
    Memory Cube can now only be used in non-instanced areas.
    Fixed an issue that sometimes prevented Manifesto of Madness’ on-use effect from working in Mythic and Mythic Keystone Dungeon difficulties.
        Corrupted Items
            Twilight Devastation’s effectiveness has been reduced in situations where it strikes more than 5 targets. It has been changed as follows:
                Deals normal damage on up to 5 targets.
                Deals 50% reduced damage to targets 6 through 10.
                Shrinks in radius each time it damages a target above 5, causing it to disappear after hitting 10 targets.
        Heart of Azeroth
            The Formless Void’s Rank 3 (Essence) Minor Power should no longer break Rogues out of stealth.
            Corrected an issue with Memory of Lucid Dreams (Essence) where Frost Mages using Glacial Spike and an instant cast Flurry could sometimes have their icicle buff count and visual display not match.

The Nyalotha nerfs/adjustments aren't much other than Skitra not being so tedious. Portal in Vale so you don't have to slow walk out of the underground area when completing the assault is a nice quality of life change.

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Re: 8.3.x stuff
« Reply #49 on: March 04, 2020, 12:12:48 PM »
The quest Ny'alotha: MOTHER's Guidance (the raid skip) is rather odd in that you pick it up at the point you have killed the bosses you need to kill for the quest :/
Andius(Ht 120), Belandius(Pr 120), Dalandius(War 113), Drandius(Sh 120), Elandius(R 120), Vandius(M 112), Deandius(DK 113), Delandius(Drd 120), Jinandius(P 118), Shandius(Wk120), Kamandius(Mk 119), Ishandius(DH 120) Liandius(LF Pr (93) Venadius (Mk 71), Klandius(Ht 28), Diandius(R 24)

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Re: 8.3.x stuff
« Reply #50 on: March 12, 2020, 08:50:42 PM »
Account-wide essences are coming... sort of.  From the blue post:
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When playing an alt character that is missing Essences that have already been earned on a different character, most ordinary Visions of N’Zoth activities, such as Horrific Visions, Assaults, raid bosses, Mythic Keystone Dungeons, or BFA Season 4 PvP, will award a new soulbound currency – Echoes of Ny’alotha. These Echoes can be brought to MOTHER in the Heart Chamber, and exchanged directly for eligible Rank 3 Essences. While ordinarily each specific Essence must be learned in order to unlock it for other characters via MOTHER, all Essences associated with Nazjatar and Mechagon reputations will be available if any other different character has earned any of the Essences available from that reputation.
No specifics yet on how much of a grind this will be, but it removes the need to do 8.2 content on alts to get their best essences.  (For players who didn't play patch 8.2 and came back for 8.3, the Eternal Palace essence may still be out of reach, and the 8.2 reputation essences will still require some amount of Naz'jatar or Mechagon grinding.)

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/coming-next-week-new-source-for-azerite-essences/468129

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Re: 8.3.x stuff
« Reply #51 on: March 16, 2020, 07:23:32 PM »
Specifics for the aforementioned currency are up in the hotfix notes: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23277654

My impression is that any single option for earning currency is slow (e.g. you'd have to do ten emissaries to buy one essence), but there are a lot of options, so it doesn't seem too bad.  If you just do assaults and visions you'll earn roughly one per week.

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Re: 8.3.x stuff
« Reply #52 on: March 20, 2020, 08:34:45 AM »
Free transmog from now until the 24th, while the trial of style is going.

Also, Blizzard has added a 100% XP buff (Winds of Wisdom), lasting through April 20.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23355424
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Re: 8.3.x stuff
« Reply #53 on: April 17, 2020, 05:25:24 PM »
Also, Blizzard has added a 100% XP buff (Winds of Wisdom), lasting through April 20.
This has been extended until the Shadowlands pre-patch: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23355424

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Re: 8.3.x stuff
« Reply #54 on: May 18, 2020, 02:03:25 PM »
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/targeted-corruptions-and-faster-cloak-empowerment/529816

* These changes aren't live yet but will go live some time soon (ETA: most of the changes go live with Tuesday's reset)
* Cloak upgrade costs will be reduced so only one vision is required per rank.
* Echoes of Ny'alotha will drop for basically everyone.
* Echoes income and costs are being artificially inflated by 5x so it doesn't matter as much whether you've been stockpiling them.
* Echoes can be used to buy targeted corruptions from MOTHER (ETA: this part may take a bit to go live).
  - Her stock changes twice a week, when the minor stock changes
  - There are example prices in the post, ranging from 3000 for Masterful 1 to 15000 for Twilight Dev 3.
* "Due to a technical limitation, items that have been cleansed cannot be re-corrupted".  This sucks a lot since a lot of high-level gear comes auto-corrupted.  They might be able to fix it.
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Re: 8.3.x stuff
« Reply #55 on: May 18, 2020, 03:22:21 PM »
We have now come full circle back to Valor + Item Level Upgrades, basically.

On one hand, it's good they're mitigating the RNG^2 factor of Corruptions. On the other hand, this is an infinitely more convoluted system than any other Titanforging/Item Level Upgrade stuff.

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Re: 8.3.x stuff
« Reply #56 on: May 18, 2020, 04:16:17 PM »
* "Due to a technical limitation, items that have been cleansed cannot be re-corrupted".  This sucks a lot since a lot of high-level gear comes auto-corrupted.  They might be able to fix it.

My feelings about the rest of the system they've jury-rigged together notwithstanding, this one is a nice kick in the teeth. Nice anti-synergy with the "we'll make M+ chest gear auto-corrupt" band-aid.

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Re: 8.3.x stuff
« Reply #57 on: May 18, 2020, 05:01:05 PM »
* "Due to a technical limitation, items that have been cleansed cannot be re-corrupted".  This sucks a lot since a lot of high-level gear comes auto-corrupted.  They might be able to fix it.

My feelings about the rest of the system they've jury-rigged together notwithstanding, this one is a nice kick in the teeth. Nice anti-synergy with the "we'll make M+ chest gear auto-corrupt" band-aid.

Also awkward because I don't actually know what of my alt's uncorrupted gear was formerly corrupted. 


Though I do wonder if they are going to put some of the weapon specific corruptions available for general purchase.  Especially that one that does a multiplier of armor to damage that is currently only available on non-druid weapons -- that could be amazing for BAER.

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Re: 8.3.x stuff
« Reply #58 on: May 19, 2020, 07:05:52 AM »
Looks like the Echo changes are going live with maintenance this morning. So, if you had echoes stashed but hadn't bought an essence in the eight hours or so yesterday after they announced this and before going to bed, you are now subject to the inflated cost, so that's cool, I guess.

Additionally, it sounds like there's a huge kerfluffle about alts potentially having thousands and thousands of echoes stockpiled and jumping ahead of people's mains. I think that's a bit overblown, but Pira has probably four thousand echoes or so banked because I never bothered to get the last couple of essences she didn't have that Kyn did and I've been pretty lax about doing stuff on her that would accrue them. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a bit perturbed at her having a non-trivial head start. Inflating things by a factor of five is supposed to counter this, obviously, but given the amount of echoes alts could have stockpiled if they were even more active than I was on Pira, I'm not sure it's enough. They obviously wanted to avoid adding ANOTHER separate currency, but I suspect a reset of Echoes or an entirely separate currency would have been the best choice here given the significance of this addition and the limitations in acquiring them previously.

The "technical limitation" on being able to apply a corruption to a cleansed piece of gear is going to be a clusterfuck, especially given--as Josh mentioned--that most sources of high-level gear auto-corrupt now, nevermind the fact that there's no indicator that something has been cleansed. So now you're almost actively hoping for the system not to proc just so you can then hope to eventually see the corruption you want on a vendor that rotates an unknown number of possibilities for some amount of currency.

This has to be up there with "turning a raid drop weapon into a transmog item with no warning with level 60 stats on the live server and wondering why people were mad" in the short-sighted fix list.

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Re: 8.3.x stuff
« Reply #59 on: May 19, 2020, 02:59:16 PM »
Corruption vendor is live apparently, and is selling 6 corruptions. I believe there are 54(ish) corruptions in total, so with the stock changing twice a week (and assuming no repeats, lol) looks like the periodicity is about a month.

Which. ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh. whatever. I got outrage fatigue.