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Re: Hearthstone (and battlenet desktop)
« Reply #750 on: September 01, 2018, 04:37:12 AM »
Another month another reset. As expected I didn't play as many games, but I did manage a very good win rate going 22-13 - almost 63%.  After reset I'm three stars into 20, a whole one star's improvement over last month.

Fortunately, the game is diverging more so I'm likely to keep playing. I just wish the grind wasn't as steep.

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Re: Hearthstone (and battlenet desktop)
« Reply #751 on: September 14, 2018, 09:47:10 AM »
Interesting (to me at least) theorycraft video from Kibler - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIdjUWilfk0

He's talking about the state of Hearthstone design and how, even though the meta right now is pretty diverse and there are some good rock-paper-scissors type balances being seen, they've painted themselves into a bad corner. In particular, the upgraded hero powers are severely crushing the space for two-drop minions. Mostly that's the odd/even powers, plus a couple of the DK-hero powers that make those cards so desirable. The big difference being that in some games you get your DK and its power and sometimes you don't. Whereas with Genn/Baku you always have that magic button that is so OP and makes games so much the same.

It's an interesting line of thought, but I think it's really idle speculation. I can't see Blizzard changing either Genn/Baku or their generated powers, so you're going to go into pretty much every game against a rogue, warrior, or paladin knowing what is coming, at least until these things rotate out.

He also calls the Rogue quest "the cockroach of Hearthstone" which almost caused me to do a real spit-take.


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Re: Hearthstone (and battlenet desktop)
« Reply #752 on: September 18, 2018, 06:04:04 PM »
Since this is the thread where I talk to myself I'll toot my own horn a bit - I got my first gold hero today (hunter) on the same day I hit 15 again. It's been an insane month so far, at 22-8. I can't remember having a win percentage that high since I started tracking.

Two factors, I think, play into it. I've only played one ranked deck this month and nearly all of last. I've played a couple variants on it, and I tech cards in/out based on what I expect to see; e.g. I put in more anti-aggro cards near the end of the month because people switch to playing faster decks in order to get more games done before the cycle ends. In past months I've rotated decks due to boredom and I've often suffered long losing streaks after doing so. I don't think I'm getting more skilled in general, but I'm getting more skilled at playing this deck. Knowing the opponent's class I pretty much know how I'm going to deal with his options and what I need to do to beat him. I have traded off playing the crazy burst version for the consistently stronger early game version. But it's still recruit hunter.

Second, I've played the vast majority of my games so far on my lunch hour. I can't tell if I'm seeing less skilled/experienced players at that hour of the day or if I'm just in better mental shape. I lean toward the former, as I can clearly recall misplays on my part that should have cost me games but somehow my opponent did not capitalize on them. I can't come up with a logical reason why the playerbase would be worse at this particular time of day, though.

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Re: Hearthstone (and battlenet desktop)
« Reply #753 on: September 20, 2018, 03:31:57 AM »
With this week's brawl the new Frozen Throne promo went live. Lots of cards at half price. You can also get 300 gold for playing X cards from that expansion and then another 300 for five brawl wins. The brawl starts you with a DK and then an apparently completely random deck. I found that frustrating. As you'd expect, mage and warlock are dominating.

Interestingly, the exercise of trying to make a deck with mostly FT cards convinced me I didn't want to buy the promo. The expansion, other than the DKs and a handful of other things, has been superseded. Druid is going to be hurt badly when it rotates out, losing the DK plus its best anti-aggro and ultimate spells, and probably hunter. Everyone else is going to shrug.

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Re: Hearthstone (and battlenet desktop)
« Reply #754 on: September 20, 2018, 10:13:46 AM »
I got my first gold hero today

Wow, I hadn't realized just how much more I play than you do.  I have 4 golden heroes and I solidly on my way to warlock.
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Re: Hearthstone (and battlenet desktop)
« Reply #755 on: September 20, 2018, 02:08:03 PM »
I got my first gold hero today

Wow, I hadn't realized just how much more I play than you do.  I have 4 golden heroes and I solidly on my way to warlock.
Hmmm, hate to say it but I got my ninth hero to gold a few months ago. It has been my focus since the game first came out and as such I have played very little arena (280 wins in arena vs 5000 wins in ranked).

The downside is now that I have achieved that objective, my playing time has falling off dramatically. I need to find something to focus on. I thought about trying to make legend but that requires a substantial amount of time in one month. So, playing more WoW for now. :)
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Re: Hearthstone (and battlenet desktop)
« Reply #756 on: September 21, 2018, 05:19:57 AM »
I play mostly casual, secondarily Arena (except when I'm saving up for an expansion) and third Standard. I also bore easily with the same deck and it's been a rare situation where one hero has had more than one viable ranked deck. Mostly I play a few games to do my quest for the day and then... maybe a game or two at lunchtime. At ~50 ranked games/month it's a long time for any one hero, never mind spreading it around.

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Re: Hearthstone (and battlenet desktop)
« Reply #757 on: November 01, 2018, 04:29:31 AM »
An unusual Hearthstone month for me. I started off with an insane 9-0 win streak, which got me up to level 15. Still using my preferred hunter deck. Once I got to the 'can't lose stars' level I figured "Hey, maybe I'll fool around with some other decks.' My closest-to-gold next hero is warlock so I started playing some Zoo. Tweaked it a bit, not too far off the popular "lots of healing" zoolock.

Still, there's a WoW expansion and some other bits of my life kind of blew up... a lot. Didn't play much ranked. Ended at 17-2, rank 13.

I think a great deal of it is starting to be how familiar I am with my deck versus the likely opposition. As soon as I see my opponent's class I can pretty much tell how the game's going to go. In a way that makes it easier, but also more boring. I can't imagine how people who play this game all day, like pro streamers, don't die of boredom. Maybe that's why Toast spends so much time on wacky combo decks?

I'm still enjoying WoW enough that I'm not likely to play much this month, either. But there's going to be another expansion, so I'm starting to save up gold...

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Re: Hearthstone (and battlenet desktop)
« Reply #758 on: November 05, 2018, 05:39:15 AM »
Aaaand here comes the new expansion. I won't recap the highlights - you can read 'em on Hearthpwn if you like. The first handful of cards doesn't look like it's going to shake up the current meta, but once the rotation happens this set is likely to be dominant due to things like the loas and the one-turn-stealth minions.

I think that this is going to have the side effect of buffing classes that have strong AOE (mage, warlock, maybe shaman). If you can't target a stealther and you want it gone, a big AOE is likely your best choice. Krip thinks that the very powerful combo mechanics are going to make multiple silences necessary - he might be right.

And they actually announced a release date this time, rather than "coming soon". So I've got a month to save up gold (Dec 4).

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« Reply #759 on: December 13, 2018, 05:32:06 PM »
I'm enjoying the meta of the newest expansion, although my games tend to follow one of two paths: killed in 6 rounds or less from aggro rush (Odd Paladin is the worst for me) or games that last forever (noting that I play Frost Jaina).

Not a fan of the new adventure mode, Rumble Run, because it reminds me too much of Witchwood's Monster Hunt. I played that one until I completed and haven't touched it since and my day one gut feeling is that RR is going to be the same. This is a stark contrast to Kobolds & Catacombs' Dungeon Run, which I still play at least a couple of runs of each week.

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Re: Hearthstone (and battlenet desktop)
« Reply #760 on: December 19, 2018, 06:10:41 AM »
Blizzard just launched a surprise nerfhammer into the middle of the game. With essentially no warning or prep, they nerfed cards that are key to three of the main decks in the meta, and pretty effectively crippled Druid on all decks.

I'm at work so I can't link directly to the posts but they're everywhere. Here's the gist:
- Nerf to Saronite Chain Gang so that Shudderwock won't be able to use it to get copies of itself. Has the side effect of nerfing the card in any kind of buff deck. I think the card will still see play in most decks but this might be the end of Shudderwock decks. A lot depends on whether new battlecries are deemed valuable enough.
- Nerf to Rogue Leeching Poison, making it impossible to get a neverending lifestealing Kingsbane. That'll be the death knell for Kingsbane decks.
- Nerf to Level Up (making it 6 mana) so it can't appear in odd paladin. I don't think this is going to matter much. There are enough good value odd rush cards that odd paladin will still be extremely annoying and widely played. It makes opponents have to worry less about clearing the paladin's board but there are lots of new buff cards out and I'm seeing plenty of Odd Paladin decks that already don't use this card.

The biggest problem is what they did to Druid. Wild Growth goes to 3 mana and Nourish to 6 mana. This is going to MURDER most druid decks. Aside from the overall slowdown to ramp, the problem is that Druids have terrible turn 3 options. The plan has always been to Wild Growth on 2 allowing you to skip turn 3 entirely. Druid has lots of good/powerful cards on turn 4, meaning you do NOT want to WG on 3 because you'd rather play a 4-drop than most of your 5-drops, at least in Standard right now.

Druid has had several viable Tier 1 or 2 decks right now and all of them are going to be badly harmed by this change. Without this ramp, druids are quite likely just to get overrun by the faster rogue, paladin, hunter, and warlock decks.

OK, maybe that's not the biggest problem - the biggest problem is the magnitude of this change, dropped with no warning (it's effective today) and when it appears in the cycle. They just released a new set and the meta is nohow settled. I get that Blizzard likes to dictate what kinds of decks people play (you VILL play vit de new cards UND YOU VILL LIKE IT) but this is really unprecedented.

The fact of the matter remains that 95% of the new cards are weak and aren't going to see play until older sets rotate out of Standard. If Blizzard wants to change what decks people play I'd rather they did it by issuing interesting new cards, not by effectively banhammering existing decks.
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Re: Hearthstone (and battlenet desktop)
« Reply #761 on: December 20, 2018, 04:18:35 AM »
And in the "you VILL LIKE IT" camp, they tweaked Arena to give a +50% appearance chance to Rastakhan cards. Ugh. This feels clumsy and heavy-handed.

They also pulled out MC Tech because waaah and also put back in some weak cards because they have other balance mechanics now.

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Re: Hearthstone (and battlenet desktop)
« Reply #762 on: January 10, 2019, 06:57:36 AM »
I'm amused that they nerfed Rumble Run not 72 hours after I finally managed to finish it once. Now I want an "Ahead of the Curve" badge or something.

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Re: Hearthstone (and battlenet desktop)
« Reply #763 on: February 06, 2019, 03:32:59 AM »
Part of the latest patch is a viral card back, Mark of Hakkar. Initially a small number of players were given this card back and whenever someone with the card back plays another player that opponent also gets the card back. This spread is supposedly permanent but if you want the card back now, I have it and am happy to play you with it selected so you can have it, too.

(fittingly, I got murderated by the Hakkar/Toggwaggle OTK deck in order to get it.)

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Re: Hearthstone (and battlenet desktop)
« Reply #764 on: February 06, 2019, 07:45:28 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNZrXp_liWk

Kibler put out a video that was nominally about the latest round of nerfs but in fact is a "here's why Hearthstone sucks and I'm mostly not playing much" rant.

The problem is, at core, what's been the problem all along - Genn and Baku have constrained the design space too much, and the game has become a battle of OTK decks or the only possible answer - rush people down. Kibler's point is that both G/B and the OTK decks introduce too many elements that you, the opponent, can't interact with. With improved hero powers, it's just "push the button a lot and win" and with OTK decks it's just "how good are their stall tools while they draw the cards for their combo".

Generally I think he's not wrong and I don't know what the designers will do other than sit around for a few more months until the next big rotation makes G/B wild-only problems.

Interestingly, Kibler argues for something i've heard from Kripparian before: instead of a steady stream of nerfs to classic and basic cards (to make them weaker so people will play other cards instead) it would be better to have a similar rotation of the classic set so that cards from those sets wouldn't always all be in competition with the new sets.